VERY IMPORTANT!!! Who took these pictures?

[BillM]

I keep going back to the picture of the DVD player strapped into the back seat with the remote carefully [perched on top. So I shared this photo in an e-mail to Drew Kesse. Then he comes back and tells me that this is the first time he has seen those photos. Are they by Fox News?

We need to know who took these pictures. PLEASE LET'S WORK ON THIS ASAP!

here are the pics:

By the way, Jennifer was a "car slob" according to her Dad: She would never have placed the dvd player on the back seat, much less the remote on top. It was probably staged by the POI.

The "ashes" are not cigarette ashes, but dirt specks, because Jennifer never smoked nor would allow it in her car.

The key is to her mailbox, the phone charger is hers, the slip of paper, Drew does not know. The rest of the interior was a total mess: typical Jennifer.

[Sandy]

Bill - I found the pictures!

The pics we were looking at on the forum are still shots from the video from 48 Hours Mystery Stolen Beauty Part 5 of 6.

Here is a link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOvTYjRuAr4&feature=related

The pics begin at 5:21, and the DVD pic is at 5:31

It looks like they are crime scene photos?  What I mean is, it looks like the police or investigators are flipping through these photos in the 48 hours video.

Good Luck!

Anything else I can do to help, please let us know!

[jd]

Hi Bill,

The all important question that I've always wanted answered.  Is the DVD player associated with Jennifer at all?  Is it hers?  Did Rob possibly give it to her in Fort Lauderdale?  Is the DVD player missing from Jen's TV cabinet - like she was taking it in for repairs?

Or is the DVD a complete unknown and neither Rob nor the family have seen it before?

Maybe if Drew is kind enough to answer the questions about the car etc, maybe he could share his insights about the DVD player.

Not that it needs explaining, but if the DVD player was left there by the POI, then it opens up a new realm of possibilities for me.

Thanks to you and Drew if more info can be shared about this DVD player.

[Dan]

The pictures were taken by CBS 48 hours, like sandy said, they are in the video, they were captured into still shots and posted.

[BillM]

First of all, Drew is really ticked off that OPD claims to be in the lead in THE investigation. MPEA, your post seemed to say you had called OPD, but was it "les incompétents" or was it the FBI (as your reply indicated) Anyhow, that OPD would try to have any relationship with Jennifer's investigation is enough to get Drew's blood pressure in a boil. They really messed the Kesse's over big time, from the little Drew has shared it sounds eerily like the gratuitous lying and refusal to look at all the options I encountered in another investigation in WV (Melanie Metheny). So to spare his feelings, let's not even use those cursed letters in our posts, maybe just refer to OPD as "the losers."

Second of all, and this is a minor point to us, but it has major emotional implications for the Kesses: Drew just can't do the Facebook thing, and who knows who started her page: not her family, Rob or friends. They are still so raw emotionally, after 4 and 1/2 years that they can barely talk to each other, and they cannot facebook about this in public. People that have been violated this way do not always "get over it." The Kesses and Jennifer's friends and that includes Rob have definitely NOT gotten over it.

It is very special and fragile that he answers my e-mails.
Just remember that they do read the forum discussions and be as gentle and tactful as possible. We are dealing with some very, very hurt people.

Yes, Drew is seeing these car photos for the first time. That means that someone official withheld these pictures from them for years before giving them to CBS. That really sucks.

Now for the DVD player. Drew will get to the bottom of this mystery and I am sure he will relay the info to us when he finds out (Rob will know if it was Jennifer's) We cannot imagine what he is going through right now to realize that there may be or may have been a message contained in that player. Who knows? But rest assured he will get to the bottom of this one.

Meanwhile there is Ethan...and our prayers that he is legit...

Thank you JD for capturing those pics in the first place, thank you Sandy, Dan, MPEA, and jd for immediately responding to this posting.

I just pray that all this movement means something wonderful is about to happen.

[jd]

"The "ashes" are not cigarette ashes, but dirt specks, because Jennifer never smoked nor would allow it in her car."

Very interesting that they are dirt specks. Can't imagine Jen has much cause to be digging in the dirt.  Would that imply the person driving the car was recently digging in the dirt?  

[BillM]

JD: Drew told me that a dirty interior/console was the rule and not the exception. Told me that he actually would "help" Jennifer clean out her car whenever it got so bad she couldn't find stuff.

I believe that if POI had transmigrated dug dirt into he car, even "the losers" would have noticed it. Unless he changed his clothes (from whatever into his white, painter's or cook's outfit), but then would he/she not also wash his/her hands? I guess this scenario is possible, but I would have expected much more dirt.

It is also possible that Jennifer put it there (her Dad's theory). But he is seeing all this for the first time, which really sucks..maybe with more thought he will have other possible explanations.

But as super neat a dresser as was Jennifer, as pulled together as she was professionally, she was "a car slob" in her dad's exact words. So the dirt flecks are probably much less significant than the dvd player or the slip of paper next to her PO Box key and her phone charger. Keep up the good thinking, JD, and I will let you all know as soon as I know anything about the DVD player.

[Dan]

This is going to sound a bit lame, but to me it would be worth checking out just to rule out jens condo on the inside. Where did Jens furniture go and her things she had out in view? Im thinking and I know the condo was contaminated, but, why not check for fingerprints on her furniture, or the hutch, or what ever it was that was sitting by the door, her sunglasses were on it in the movie. Just check the things like that. Some one has to know everyone that was in there and they could be ruled out, there may be a slight chance just one print may be found and not accounted for. Im still angry that it was not done in the beginning, regardless who was in there, it was not contaminated, just a whole lot more work would of had to be done.

Well I hope we can find something out on the DVD player soon, it will help in our thinking and scenarios.

I also think it may be time to go back and look at all the info on Jenns page as well for a refresher, and look a bit harder at things, maybe something is there right under our noses.

[Dan]

Bill, Drew might consider going back and going through everything as well, maybe he will see something that is significant, who knows.

[TruthSeeker]

Hi to all...

In relation to the DVD p;ayer(2) thoughts come to my mind...

1. I recently watched a great documentary on the History or Discovery channel on a brand new procedure in relation to fingerprinting techniques out of England. Some of you may have heard of this already, however according to the documentary it's the latest technique in helping to solve 'cold' cases and perhaps may be of use with Jenn. A Forensic Scientist (Correction: Not a forensic scientist but a retired homicide detective in England has been able to utilize a boiling and brushing of metal objects to release a print, can be used on small objects (like coins) all the way up the scale. Likely the FBI has the intelligence in relation to this procedure, but thought that it might b useful in mentioning it anyway.

2. I have wondered if their is anyway to place a blank dvd or something into the machine to find out what was last played on it?
I VERY strongly feel (and have since I first heard of this) that Jenn most likely (if being forced into the sex trafficking industry) was in turn forced to watch a video of her family. There has been a lot of overwhelming talk here in relation to 'Stokholm (sp) Syndrome as a reason Jenn would not have yet contacted her family, however there are many ways in which to force someone into believing that their life and especially (in early stages) the lives of those they love, would b at stake if they don't submit. Con't....

[TruthSeeker]

Con't...

Likely many have handled that dvd player/remote, but perhaps 'the losers' still have it as evidence? Having it within the confident hands of the FBI? Though I too am a 'car slob' I'd not leave something of value in the front or back seat of my vehicle in plain view and I doubt Jenn was this way either.

Also I have wondered if in fact there is truth behind something I read somewhere that the Kesse's had sold Jenn's car, if in fact that is the case; perhaps the car was sold to someone the family knows, in terms of being able to re-process using this new technique. Just a thought.

Have other thoughts I'll find another appropriate place to post:)

[TruthSeeker]

Another quick thought on that DVD player/remote...

In the remote is there a place to open it up and replace )when burnt out) the battery? Mine runs on a watch-like litho battery; the mini-coin type...just thought there may be a date to replace or use before and this might aid in dating that thing in terms of perhaps no one being able to ascertain if indeed it was Jenn's or not.

The same thing with the DVD a SN# would or could provide further info as to when the machine was manufactured and in turn where and when it was released for sale.
For example Lowe's have several product brands that only they sell or many times electronics (ie: The latest BlackBerry; manufactured in Canada will be released to the American population before being released in Canada.) This could be a VERY helpful direction for Jenn's case....

[jd]

TruthSeeker,

You might be onto something brilliant! Suppose the DVD isn't Jen's or Rob's.  Suppose it really is an unknown in this case.  The police probably checked it for fingerprints and obviously found nothing, or there would have been a lead.

But did they dust for fingerprints on the remote control's batteries?  Someone put the batteries in the device.  Who?  In the 35 seconds the POI was in the car at the HOG parking lot, did he open the remote and wipe off any prints?  No way.  So there must be prints on those batteries.

FBI, where are you.....

[BillM]

Truthseeker, you have really been running your brain in overdrive and everything you have put down here, well, should have been looked into 4 years ago. And believe it or not, the address tip was a total shocker news to me.

Drew did not seem to know anything about the dvd when I first started nagging about that detail in late July. I started coming back to it over and over because it was obviously put there NOT by Jennifer, put there as a SIGN "LOOK AT ME, WATCH ME! I AM A DVD PLAYER" (for crying out loud.)

The Losers obviously did not check it out, nor did they bother telling Drew anything about it. They were never even remotely interested in the trafficking scenario, so they would never have made the connection Jennifer/DVD player.

But the address where she was supposedly held? What did the Losers do with that tip? Why was that building NOT taken apart for prints and dna? I am relatively new to this forum, maybe going on two years now? But I swear I never heard that tip mentioned..Thanks for the info! Is there a confirmation out there somewhere (The Losers won't talk to anybody anymore, well,  maybe the FBI)

Needless to say, we are thankful for the updates and the clear thinking. Would you consider tipping all of this to the FBI on their 888 number? Don't take for granted that they know any of this (except for the fingerprint technology), and especially do not be afraid to contact them, they are really working on this case in earnest.

And I think I will make one giant post of what you have written here, make it easier to read.

[TruthSeeker]

What I ought to do Bill is type everything down in Word and forward it to FBI, I wouldn't have a problem with that. It would take awhile (I have heavily researched many things I find 'odd.')
As further info on that address; Orange Police Sgt. Richard Ring (may have last name spelt wrong; can't read my own notes!) stated that when police arrived at this house, the house was empty (despite evidence of recent dwellers to residence on front porch) 'We had information from a woman tipster who was very credible who stated that Kesse was seen there and that she was alive and being held against her will.' The Sgt went onto say that the detective working the case had personally interviewed the woman and she'd apparently given him enough information that they were 'concerned.' (Believe I located this article via Fox News) When asked if Kesse may have been held there the reply was; 'There was no evidence she was ever there.'
Further news reports stated that this house was known in the area as a 'crack/drug' house.