SUSPECT

[TruthSeeker]

Sorry all...started a new suspect topic since there are just so many differing topics...

Drew, Joyce, Logan and Rob;

Have come across a 3-D image of skeletal image used specifically for chiropractic issues and think it may be of help in relation to this CREEP who has info but hasn't as yet come forward...

I'll go get the website for you all...

Either way my thoughts on this is that suspect may have some type of scoliosis problem, due to the rounding of his shoulders in each of the frames, also if one studies the original video tape of suspect walking away from Jenn's car and also focuses on his feet, we may be able to figure out some new useful info.

If someone could answer this QUESTION for me: How high is that wrought iron fence surrounding the pool, where suspect walks by?
I understand that OPD believe suspect is between 5'3 and 5'5, however the survillance camera looks down and thus my opinion is that the suspect is much taller then what OPD says.... I myself am 6'1 now if I were to stand in front of the fence i think by the looks of it, it's about 6".... based on hedges etc.

To be continued...

[BillM]

Actually, Truthseeker, the U of Fl Math Department worked out the triangulation from the photos and they believe that POI is more likely in the 5'8" to 6'0" range. He does have extremely big feet. He may actually be a she in male disguise (although I wonder about the beefy arms and torso) because of the back foot, for sure, being part way out of the big, maybe oversized, shoe. Also, POI seems to be carrying two, maybe trhee items, probably belonging to Jennifer: her purse and its contents and her briefcase.

The puzzlement is that POI would make these objects visible at this point in the abduction. He ius obviously returning the car, sans Jennifer, after the wretched deed, maybe was even an unwitting accomplice (just following orders without fully realizing why.)

But, if he walked back to Jennifer's condo with the stuff we have seen in the stills/video, why? Was he to pass them off to someone there?

The thought occurs to me that maybe Jennifer's things presented to someone local to Orlando and Jennifer's part of it, was the proof that the abduction had actually occurred and released the money that POI and certainly others, were paid to do a silent, phoneless, messageless abduction.

It would be very interesting to inventory everybody who set foot on Mosaic property that AM. It would be interesting to speculate as to where POI met the moneybag person involved in her abduction.

[TruthSeeker]

Sorry BillM...

I truly fail to see what so many posters believe that 'suspect was carrying '2-3 items' He has his hands in each of the stills behind his back and no matter how many  many times I've enlarged each shot, I still fail to see what so many say they can see.

It makes zero sense to me why he would carry Jenn's purse and briefcase in his hands anyway, I mean I understand there are many guys who do on occassion etc, but here he is in a neighborhood reported for being seedy and crime infested, thus I doubt highly he'd wish to draw attention to his being by carrying both a purse and briefcase, when he's clearly dressed like a construction worker.

[BillM]

That's OK. There are no absolute right answers as of yet. I definitely was able to enhance/enlarge what truly looks like her briefcase in a long ago post. But that's OK if you don't agree or see what others have discussed.

As to why? I think it's simple. Someone back at Mosaic, where the POI went after parking her car, had to see her belongings to believe that the deed had been done. Actually see her briefcase and/or purse for POI to get "credit" for what he/she did: Therefore the Mosaic illegal transient cover for trafficking is still a possibility.

Her car was "staged" and locked to protect the "staging" and POI/driver brought back her effects to whomever at Mosaic instigated the sale/exchange. Now I know that the odds for this scenario are approximately 1 in 110,000, the number of missings annually. But absolutely nothing else has made sense so far. I think the FBI will find out something, if they leave no stone unchecked, and if they go places OPD cannot.

Thanks for the dialogue. Things have been very quiet lately, which is the way POI would like it.

[BillM]

I have always suspected a Westgate contact, business or other, as the perp behind her abduction. The motive could be as racist as Arab versus white, female, upwardly mobile, or Latino drug money going "legit" and recruiting a "gringa" for God only knows what perverse purposes, but jealousy and especially revenge could explain the motive.

I don't think OPD dared to profile Jennifer's business contacts for the month or months previous to her abduction. I don't think the FBI will hesitate to do so. Big money pulled this off, quietly and seemlessly. Stupid/perverted sex criminals, even the smart serial ones, let something slip after 4 years, something is heard to give some kind of direction to an investigation.

With Jennifer, it was more like a commando operation, complete with the show that POI put on for the camera.

[BillM]

I think even the OPD is starting to admit that Jennifer was trafficked by a gang with drug and possible Latin/South American connections:
     *Her car was returned, staged to  leave a confusing message of caretaking versus flight
     *Her car was locked to preserve the message or scenario POI was instructed or inspired to leave.
     *POI returned to Mosaic at least once, proving he knew where Jennifer lived, I mean, to the front door, according to one Canadian searcher's reports
     *Jennifer was quickly moved out of the area, probably the very day she disappeared (no camera, pass card or phone tracings)
     * This was a planned and scripted abduction and, unfortunately, no mistakes were  made.
     *Her place of employment is not above my suspicion, at least, and I hope the FBI will comb over everthing that can be known about who met, dealt and interacted with her during the month before D-Day.
     *If POI was just the courrier, I believe Jennifer knew her abductor. In the trafficking world, the moment of surprise is critical to the success of the abduction.
     *I am glad to see that Drew's thinking has not ruled out the trafficking scenario, and I do believe the FBI will make progress if the trail (information/money/movements of former clients) is not too cold.
     *She may actually still be in custody/slavery, fully into the Stockholm mode
     * Someone has suggested that Jennifer may have actually made it to the Westgate job site from where she was whisked away recognizing someone in the lot and not seeing the real abductors moving in from her blind side. She left earlier than normal, maybe 45 minutes so, her phone may have needed charging that morning (if she forgot, being tired the night before), so she was just getting ready to call Rob at the normal time when it happened. (Remember, she had no idea she was about to be abducted)
     *So, this is a workable scenario. My question is this:bDid Westgate have security cameras in their p-lot or building? Would her entry have been recorded if she had a card to swipe?
     *IF NOT, this remains an interesting option to the Mosaic abduction

[Find_Jennifer]

That's what I'm wondering, Bill. Are they absolutely 100% sure that Jennifer didn't pull into that parking lot at her workplace at all? If someone says, "Hey Jennifer didn't show up for that meeting." are they going to go out and search the parking lot to see if her car is there?

There's really no way to know that her car wasn't in that lot unless 1. there's security cameras covering the whole lot; or 2. someone went out and physically inspected the lot car by car - even then something could have been overlooked.

Really there are only three plausible places she was abducted:

1. Mosaic property
2. A FedEx station
3. Her workplace

She didn't drink coffee, she wasn't the kind of person to go out after she was already in her condo, and we know she was in bed when she made her last contact. What's left?

I am curious if there was any indication that Jennifer ate breakfast that morning - a cereal bowl in the sink, box of granola bars sitting out? Would she be the type to eat breakfast? Many people do not.

Also, what did Jennifer normally do for lunch on a workday? Would she pack her lunch and eat at work, go out with a colleague, grab something nearby? If she packed her lunch, is there any indication of this in her condo (kitchen utensils out, a missing lunch bag)? Would she even have had food in her condo - between the boys staying there that weekend and having been out of town, what would be left in the cupboards? It doesn't sound like she went to the grocery store after work the night before her abduction. Maybe the boys didn't eat her food...it's possible they bought their own.

[Find_Jennifer]

Sandy just reminded me of a very good point in that the mileage on Jenn's car was not enough for her to have driven to work that morning...BUT...that kind of stuff can be tampered with, right?

[Sefora]

Ive read and heard numerous times that Drew and Joyce said that Jennifer was most likely abducted sometime between locking her front door to going to her car.
If Jennifers parents have reason to believe that..then thats what im going with. Granted they cannot give us-the public- all information on the case..its possible they have something to believe that she got ready for work and was abducted on Mosaic property that morning.

[Sefora]

Also...dont forget POI's scent being tracked back to Mosaic..doesnt that make it highly unlikely that Jennifer was abducted around her workplace or fed-ex?

[Find_Jennifer]

You are probably right, Sefora, and I agree that if the Kesses believe something, it's the best piece of information we could ever have. However, there's something that's just not adding up to me about her being abducted at home.

POI had Jennifer's keys and driver's license with her address on it, so he could have walked to her condo and let himself in to get something. It's not believed that the motive was robbery, but we really don't know the purpose for this abduction.

I've never read that suspicious evidence was found to suggest the person was in Jennifer's home, but between Logan's friends that weekedn and Mosaic management and then Jennifer's friends and family being in the condo after her abduction, it would probably be hard to know for sure. LE even admits Jennifer's home was contaminated because of the number of people in and out of there during that time. Regardless of who POI is...construction worker or someone else...that person went to Mosaic after dropping off the car and it sounds like walked right up to her front door. Why? If he was a construction worker there, sure it makes sense he would go back to Mosaic, but to Jenn's front door? Is he going back to clean up any evidence 4+ hours later? If there was evidence lying around - items from her purse, blood, etc, you'd think management would have seen that (or someone else) before POI had time to get back there.

[Find_Jennifer]

PS - Regarding the question of why POI would bring Jennifer's belongings with him after the abduction, he had to do something with them. If she was trafficked there's no body to stash them with. I think he maybe wanted it to look like Jennifer parked her car there on her own (hence the locked doors) and maybe wanted LE to believe she had a drug problem or just got wrapped up with the wrong people through her own choosing.

Yeah, it sounds a little weird for a man to be walking through a parking lot with these items, but heck, he just parked a stranger's car in a random parking lot and walked away! AND maybe POI was a woman so it didn't look so odd. There are so many details of this case that are odd that it's just like adding another one to the list!

It's been suggested before that POI's clothing may actually be dark instead of the bright white they appear to be. I'm starting to believe all of his clothes were dark because that would help him blend into his surroundings on a dark winter morning. Someone dressed all in white would stand out like a sore thumb, I would think.

[BillM]

It may also be possible that POI had to give Jennifer's belongings to someone at Mosaic to prove that she, Jennifer, had been "delivered."

I don't think anything was done randomly. It was either part of the planned, scripted abduction or done as a subterfuge.

It could be interesting to make a chart (I love making charts) with two columns: PLAN and SUBTERFUGE, and see what different versions of the chart might suggest.

Drew did say in his interview (see front page) that Jennifer seemed to "vanish" at the front door: just like in the FBI show, "Without a Trace."

So the off Mosaic abduction does not seem to be in the Kesse's thinking.

But seeing that POI or somebody had Jennifer's car for 5 to 6 hours (earliest 6:30 AM to 12:30 PM) what in tarnation was/were (s)he/they doing with it if they did not drive very far? 5 to 6 hours is a long time to be sitting on/in a car that police were (according to their reports) looking for by 10 or 11 AM.

Plan or Subterfuge?

[jessica]

I am not sure if this has been brought up before it may have been Bill M or Dan that said the amount of gas left in the gas tank means she did not drive very far or that POI did not drive her car very far.

But can the gas that was pulled out of her tank and analyzed.... can it be studied to make sure it was from the same gas station she filled up last. I know some gas stations add like Techron or other engine cleaning properties. If the gas compostion matches the station that she last filled up then it would be simple to figure out the mile radius from the home that the car traveled.

This is assuming the gas pulled out of her tank is still available for study.

[Dan]

Jessica, that is an excellent idea, but, unless they syphoned off some gas there will be no way to tell, the car is gone, which i think is crazy, the car should of been kept till there were answers. But still this is an excellent idea and we can only hope they have some.